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Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:25 am

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Autor: Zollinger

Dear friends of great Lamy pens

Just recently I was able to complete my collection of Lamy Profil fountain pens. I want to express my joy in a short article.

My special thanks go to the Lamy corporation for their great assistance in my quest.

Have fun.
Zollinger
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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:27 am

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Author: ibucgn
Hello Zollinger,

Thanks for the information. I especially liked the visual design of your article.

Many greetings,

Ingo.

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:29 am

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Hello Christof,

thanks for your posting on the Lamy Profil. It’s a lot of information and history for the interested collector. Even for a non-Lamy specialist you can find important information about this special Lamy product line that has ended a while ago already.

Many greetings,
Werner

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:29 am

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Author: isegrimmgo

Hello Christof,
Your illustration honors the Lamy design you so praise!
Besides the wonders for the eye, you offer a true filling in form of information!!

THANKS!!!
greetings Wolfgang

p.s. What equipment did you use to make such good pictures of your pens?

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:31 am

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Author: absia

Hi, Christof!

You did me a big favor with your report. You gave one of my long-time pen-favorites (I had only stumbled over by coincidence and have loved ever since), a name. I didn’t know it’s called “Profil”. But that’s the great thing about our forum that even old hares can still get longer ears even after so many years.

I am very happy this pen has finally received the honors due to it all along. It’s too bad this wonderful pen (of which I got a few by now) has left the market after such short production time. From its writing ability it can easily compete with any Lamy 2000! Of course it may become a collector item if the word spreads – even if I contribute to this happening with my posting. But the pen is worth it! In every variation.

Thank you!
Peter

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:40 am

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Author: Zollinger

Hello Peter

I am glad that my article has met with so much resonance. Thank you for the words of praise.

You wrote you were able to get your hands on a few of your own. Now I’d of course like to know if you have one I might not know of, yet? Do you, e.g. have a matte brown 86?

My brown 86 is shiny, as I mentioned in the article. According to the catalogue it should be matte, though. Mine also has a chromed cap ring, which was actually a specialty of the 80. I assume mine was a later product variation.

Catalogue excerpt:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30169694@N ... 118942791/

I’d be glad to hear what kind you own.

Zollinger

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:43 am

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Too bad Lamy quit the production of such a great fountain pen.

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:44 am

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Hi, Christof!

According to your catalogue excerpt, I have four 80s and two 86s (one in matte black with B-nib (14kt.) and a matte brown with OBB stainless steel nib). So I do not own an 81 and I don’t want to, either, because I never liked those kinds of mixed-pickles where cap and barrel are made of different material. Three of the 80s have a cap with ring and “L”-lid (black L on matte silver foundation) on top and an 80 has a cap with ring, but with a “dent“, like the 86, on top, instead of an L-lid. On the bottom end of the barrel, all pens have the same silver cover, but without imprint.

Nib sizes of the 80s are F, M, MK and OB. It seems the barrel color has something to do with the nib material, because each black pen has a 14kt-nib, even the 86! Only the brown one is made of steel. I would like to emphasize that the pens with F-nibs of this series, for me as a pronounced B-nib-lover, are the only ones I really like to hold, because the nib is full and soft and still writes slim without a single scratching sound, but with a good rest-flex. This especially counts for the M and MK nibs. It really was an extraordinary writing device.

About your shining problem: there seems to have been two different versions off the production line, a shiny one and a matte one. But as the pens are all made of macrolon (just like the Lamy 2000), they can get specks after years of intensive use, i.e. the matte coating gets worn off and the pen starts to shine like happens to leather pants. You can see it two ways: either as a quality sign of the great stability and endurance of the pen, despite intensive usage, or you can see it as an ugly side-effect, especially as you can’t sell it on ebay as a new pen, that way! The same goes for the Lamy 2000.

Greetings
Peter

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:56 am

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Hello Peter

Thanks for the information. Not everything is explicable from the catalogue excerpt, but over a production time of ten years a lot can happen….

You call the Lamy 81 a mixed-pickle pen. Hm. That does bother me. It was actually the top model in the series (at least it was the most expensive one)!

"De gustibus non est disputandum." You can’t fight about matters of taste. Unfortunately I do not agree with the Latin proverb and think you should be allowed to fight about questions of taste!

I personally like pens with metal caps. The metal cap is a trademark of the modern sticking cap pen. There are lots of good examples besides the Lamy 81. E.g. the Parker 51 and 61. Those were only made with metal caps.

What bothers me more is that the holder is made of plastic e.g. in all-metal pens. In contrast to the cap, the holder and barrel form a unit that is not as complete when these two parts are made of different material. Closed it looks like a unit but it falls apart when opened.

please see below picture lamy_bild1.jpg

I think the metal cap solution is more consequent in terms of design.

please see below picture lamy_bild2.jpg

I think the people from Parker were aware of this design blemish, where the handle had a different color than the rest of the pen, when they came up with the "Big Red". That’s why they came up with a design rule of contrasting black to orange, and making the cap screw and the blind cap on the bottom, a different color. If only the gripping section had been black it would have bothered. This way it’s an interesting pattern.

please see below picture lamy_bild3.jpg

Oh well, I got off the topic a bit. I just wanted to show that the choice of using different material usually has to do with a clear design reason. This counts for the Lamy 81, just as for the Parker 51.

These differences make the pens interesting.

Greetings
Zollinger

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Re: Article Lamy Profil

Post by werner » February 22nd, 2010, 9:58 am

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Author: absia

Hello Christof!

I don’t really care what design reasons there are for a product that is trying to sneak itself into my possession, if it doesn’t correspond to my own taste. My ideas seem to differ from yours:
- I don’t like pens with metal caps, if the rest of the pen isn’t out of the same material.
- I like pens -which can actually be metal pens - that have a plastic gripping section. This has practical reasons, as I have very sweaty hands and that has ruined quite a few pens already. Anyway, metal handles are a lot slicker and touch colder, than handles made of organic material.
- I don’t care about the design reasons of producers. They only interest me if they correspond to my own taste and aesthetics; otherwise not. I’m not a fountain pen nerd who has to have the last missing original pen of a series. I’m not saying you are. But there are people you can’t discuss these things with, the point is mute. As you say: "De gustibus ..."

Greetings
Peter

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